Tuesday, May 05, 2009

Why My Son (Probably) Won’t Go To College

Preface

A few months back, I posted to Twitter that by the time my followers' children reached college age, college would be irrelevant. The exact wording appears to be lost to time, but you can imagine the response I got. Let's just say I was in the minority. I promised to elaborate in a forum that allowed me to exceed 140 characters, and here we are.

Unfortunately, it has taken me almost 2,000 words to articulate the personal side of this issue: that my wife and I are disinclined to raise our son with the expectation that he must go to college to succeed in life. I realize this is not the article I promised—it does not prove that college will be irrelevant in 20 years—but I hope it is still interesting, provocative, and that perhaps it lays a decent foundation for the bigger argument. I look forward to your comments, because although I have strong opinions on the matter, discussion about it fascinates me. If it seems to be a topic that fascinates you as well, I will write more about it.

Here's the gist of what I'll be saying, in FAQ form:

  • Do I anticipate sending my son to a traditional four-year college when he graduates from high school? No.

  • Do I think college is a bad idea for everyone? No.

  • Do I think college is ever worth going into significant debt? No.

  • Do I think there are lots of better ways to spend the amount of money that college costs and accomplish the goals of a college education—even if you could pay cash? Yes.



A Hard Realization

It dawned on me one evening as I sat at my desk writing a check to a student loan creditor: college had not been worth all the debt it had put me in. Sure, I’d had a great time, met some really wonderful people (including my wife, who is the most really wonderful person I’ve ever met) and I’d learned a thing or two. But if I had it to do all over again, I wouldn’t have signed those promissory notes.

For the next half hour, I sat, daydreaming about all the things I could do if I didn’t have this monthly payment monkey on my back. One of the things I caught myself imagining was contributing to a 529 plan for our son’s college education, so he wouldn’t have this much debt. I was quickly struck by the delicious irony of that dream. And then it really hit me: what if college was a bad investment, period? What if Abel would be better off not going at all?

The Expectation

It’s marked indelibly on our brains: “You can’t succeed if you don’t have a college degree. You’ll never get a good job unless you go to college. Without that degree, you’ll never get where you want to go.” We all know this, have known it, for as long as we can remember. It’s about as controversial as tying your shoelaces in a bow.

There’s just one problem: it simply isn’t true.

Naturally, not everyone is Steve Jobs or Bill Gates, both of whom made fortunes after dropping out of college. But that doesn’t mean an average person can’t be successful without going to college. In fact, I think you’re at least as likely, maybe more likely to succeed in life if you don’t go to college immediately after high school.

I recently conducted an informal poll on Twitter, asking “Why does one go to college?”



The answers came fast and hard for the next half hour, and they broke down into a handful of main categories:

  • To train for a career and/or boost a resume

  • To learn how to learn

  • To expand your horizons: socially, geographically, culturally

  • To have easy access to sex or to find a potential spouse, depending on the college the respondent attended

  • (Interestingly enough) Several people mentioned that college was simply the expectation for a high school graduate. I couldn’t agree more that this is true, or less that it is a valid reason.


My thesis is simple: college is far too expensive to be worthwhile for most people as a career catalyst, and you can obtain every other benefit better and more cheaply without going to college.

My wife and I believe this firmly enough that we have decided not to encourage college for our son, who is four years old at the time of this writing. (That loud popping sound was all four of his grandparents blowing a coronary artery. Don’t worry, Mom and Dad; we’re still going to save some money for him, just in case.)

Counting the Cost

Here is the estimated cost of college in 14 years, computed at Sallie Mae’s “College Answer” planning website. I will use the cost of four years at a private college as a basis for these arguments. If you want to propose a state school as an alternative, that's fine; just realize that the problems with the model still exist, and in many cases, the benefits are lost or severely reduced.

  • Four years at an average private college: $243,110

  • Four years at an average public college: $62,864

  • Two yeas at an average community college: $11,695


These numbers do not include room and board or books. As anyone who has attended college knows, those extra costs sting and cut deeper every semester. Add these necessities to the total, and you’re easily over a quarter million dollars, and that’s before the cost of typical college-kid tomfoolery.

This also assumes that you pay cash, which is less likely with each passing year. Far too often, the cost of college is financed, fattened up with interest, and paid over ten years—or worse still, in a trend that preys on the ignorant, consolidated by private lenders and stretched out over fifteen or twenty years so as to “lower your total monthly payment.” The leaden burden of ill-advised debt is what has recently dragged our economy deep into the sea of recession. Please don’t believe the lie that a piece of paper in a frame is worth more than financial freedom.

But even assuming you can earn the degree without taking on debt, the cost is so astronomical that any student or parent ought to think long and hard about the wisdom of placing that big a bet based on the life goals of a 17-year old. Have you met many 17-year olds lately? How many of them would you willingly hand $250,000 cash and say “Here: use this to prepare yourself for the job you’ll want when you’re 45!”? Not many. But that’s what you’re condoning if you assume every four-year old kid has to grow up to go to college.

All That Cash, and For What?

This financial ruination might be easier to stomach if it actually resulted in job preparedness or made your resume stand out, but it doesn’t, at least not at a rate of success that could possibly justify the risk. Think back to college: how many of your friends graduated with a degree in the program they entered college to pursue? How many of your friends are actually working in their field? And the really nasty, hairy question: of those who are, how many are putting their expensive knowledge—the stuff they learned in college, not the stuff they taught themselves or learned on the job—to use every day?

Think of it another way: how many job postings nowadays generically require “a four-year degree”? A lot of them. You may consider this a terrific argument for obtaining a four-year degree. But the more sobering interpretation of this reality is that bachelor’s degrees have been generalized and commoditized into irrelevance. A four-year degree is the high school diploma of the new century, only it costs a small fortune to obtain—and worse, if you really want to distinguish yourself, you need a graduate degree anyway. (By the way, this is not a sustainable model. We can’t afford to live in a world where a master’s degree is the distinguishing feature of a resume. I predict companies will soon start getting serious about otherwise skilled, qualified applicants who don’t have a college degree.)

If Not College, Then What?

I’d like to suggest that one more reason just about every high school graduate goes off to college is lack of imagination: they simply cannot fathom doing anything else. Well, I can. As a matter of fact, this is where it gets fun. Dream with me.

If you were to enroll in a middle of the road private college this year, four years’ tuition would cost you $94,282. Let’s be absurdly generous and imagine you could live, eat, buy books, and entertain yourself for four years on $5,718, and we’ll round it up to $100,000. Here are three better ways to spend that money and still get the benefits college offers. Keep in mind, we’re trying to set ourselves up for financial success while having a life-changing experience. And don’t forget that you could always go to college later in life.

  • Buy a 3-family house in a decent part of town. Put $75,000 down, live in the smallest apartment, and put $400 in the bank each month. With the remaining $25,000, buy a reliable used car and a year’s worth of groceries and gas. The ladies will love you. If you are a lady, the guys will fight over you.

  • Invest $75,000 in mutual funds. Go get a two-year degree at a cost of $5,000, living at home with your parents until you graduate. When you do, put the remaining $20,000 down on a small home and start your career as a nurse, dental hygienist, or administrative assistant. Keep investing. Retire at 45.

  • Spend two years traveling the world. Visit every inhabited continent briefly in the first year. Then, in the second year, return to the two cities you liked best. Live and work for six months each in each. If you decide to come back home afterward, you’ll be poor financially but incredibly rich in life experience. And trust me, the companies that matter will clamor to hire you rather than your friends who are just coming off their sophomore year bender. Remember, college diplomas are a dime a dozen. (Well, they are from the employer’s point of view. From the applicant’s perspective, this is a laughably inaccurate cliché.) How many resumes include six months learning Spanish while working as a barista in Argentina?


Case Studies to Make the Dean Blush

Still think college makes too much sense to pass up? Here are a few stories that prove the lie. All are true stories of people I know, people whose phone numbers I could give you if you wanted to check my research:

  • We recently had three doors replaced on our house. We hired a local carpenter to do the work for us; he was professional, prompt, and the work was superb. His price was fair, but let me tell you: his hourly wage is apparently a hell of a lot higher than mine. And I went to graduate school as long as most lawyers do. When he finished his work each day, he cleaned up and went home to his wife and kids and promptly forgot about my silly doors. He never went to college.

  • My sister is a nurse. She went to a community college for two years, earned an associate’s degree, and could now work as many hours as she wants in any city in America. Unfortunately for her bank account, she only figured out she wanted to be a nurse after she figured out she didn’t want to be a social worker, which only happened after she had borrowed a good $30,000 to get a degree. If only there had been some other system by which she might have figured that out.

  • One of the groomsmen in my wedding graduated a year after me in college. His degree was in religion and philosophy, but his first serious job was doing web design for Ford. Yes, that Ford. He is self-taught. His portfolio, which he developed without the help of any department head or advisor, spoke for itself.


All these numbers and stories lead me to my conclusion, a very personal decision that I nonetheless predict more and more parents will make as the educational models in our country change. The assumption that college is the only (or best) natural step to take after high school is erroneous and financially treacherous. That assumption stops with us and with our son. We will save money to contribute to his post-secondary education, but by no means will we insist that education take place in an institution of higher learning. The value just isn’t what it used to be.




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DISCLAIMER: I usually avoid disclaimers, but this time I probably need one. The opinions expressed in this article are my own and are do not represent Artisan Church, where I serve as a pastor. They are not intended as pastoral counsel; nor should they be applied without discretion. Each situation is unique. As the nerds say, your mileage may vary.

19 comments:

J said...

definitely food for thought... thanks for sharing.
makes me think of mike rowe's mission to reclaim the dignity of blue collar jobs (http://www.ted.com/talks/mike_rowe_celebrates_dirty_jobs.html)

Rebecca said...

I would add a few words on the personal and professional aspects of college vs. real world. Sure, colleges provide the graduate with an alum network and connections to internships and good careers... But so does the real world. It really is 'who you know' more than 'what you know' and much more than whether you have a degree.

simple guy said...

I think it makes sense to avoid the private schools, but a college education at a good public school is still a good bet. I'm not sure where the cost of higher education will go, but currently a bachelor's degree still has a very good payoff.

According to the numbers from Bureau of Labor Statistics, a bachelor's degree will put your salary about 65% higher than if you just had a high school diploma.

Assuming a non-college salary of about $30k, that bachelor's degree could bring in an extra 3/4 of a million dollars over a 40 year career (without factoring in any raises). So, even at the current 8%-a-year increase in college tuition, it'll still be a good deal for quite a while.

Lisa said...

Here are my thoughts:
1. I think what your title really means is that Abel won't go to a 4-year, live in the dorm, college like we did. Not that you are against all formalized higher education for him. But some people might interpret it that way.

2. I can't think of a less likely place to "learn how to learn" (isn't that what elementary school is for?) or "expand your horizons: socially, geographically, culturally" than college. At least, the college I went to.

3. "how many of your friends graduated with a degree in the program they entered college to pursue?"
I have always said that it doesn't matter if you end up in the field you have a degree in. What the employer wants to see is that you have a degree.

4. "I predict companies will soon start getting serious about otherwise skilled, qualified applicants who don’t have a college degree."
Not likely (at least not til the boomers are out of power & influence, which is another 10-20 years at least). I know you have never worked in a big corporate office, but I have and let me tell you, a college degree is the lowest minimum requirement they're willing to consider. My argument to that is, who the hell wants to work in a corporate office anyway? I want my kids as far away from them as possible.

5. There is a trend among the more radical homeschoolers these days to "homeschool college". I'm not really sure what that means, but I assume it entails reading lots and lots of books :) On a different note, I just found out today that one of the RAHA homeschooler's oldest sons went to "circus" college in Canada and is now performing with the Cirque de Soleil. They are a hard-line "unschooling" family and it's fun to watch their kids grow.

6. My general ideas on college for my kids are... there are better alternatives. For me, those include MCC, online degrees, and life experience. Obviously, they have already been indoctrinated into an alternative-schooling lifestyle that will naturally extend to their college years, and I'm not worried that they'll want to blow wads of money or waste time at a 4-yr. college.

Bryn wants to be a veterinary assistant and has already explored programs that offer online degrees for that. I don't think she could get into a medical field without a degree, but there are definitely creative and cheaper ways to get one.

Jaron has talked about being a small-holder (owning a small farm) or real estate investor, which would require no college at all. Though, I think he's one of those kids who won't really know what he wants to do til he's 30.

And I think their grandparents (the 2 1/2 who care) have gotten over the coronary artery stage and are now moving into a resigned throwing-up of the hands :)

Jason said...

Here's a story from the opposite perspective:

I'm finishing up my third year in a four year degree, at a rather expensive private school in Rochester. Fortunately, hard work in high school earned me a solid scholarship, and my parents have saved up some money to help me out. When I graduate next spring, I'll certainly have loans to pay off, but those loans will be nowhere near that magical $100,000 number. Instead, my loans will probably rest between 10% and 20% of that.

I should point out that I grew up fully aware of the non-advantages of having a college degree. My father never went to college, and has supported a family of four comfortably my entire life. When I was growing up, we lived in a modest house in the suburbs of Boston, a textbook definition of the middle-class family.

While I'm often tempted to be cynical and upset with the system I'm entrenched in, there's one thing I can't deny: I'm having important experiences here, and learning plenty. I've attended lectures by industry leaders, learned from professors with field experience, worked (paid) internships with organizations both large and small, and shared all of this in real time, moment-by-moment, with the students around me. I've also founded and led a student improv troupe, an experience that has been as valuable to me as all of my classes and academic pursuits combined. These are things I could not have experienced if I had chosen to pass on college.

But maybe, as you suggest, I'm missing out on a whole bunch of other important experiences, ones that I missed by not taking the other path. *Maybe*. But the choice to go to college came with guaranteed experiences attached--I knew I was going to meet leaders, learn from experienced professors, take internships, and bond with my peers over our chosen field of study (which has not changed and will not change once in my college career). That other path was full of possibilities, but nothing I could count on. I'm not afraid of the unknown, but I am afraid of passing up a golden opportunity in favor of a nebulous maybe.

Of course there's a price associated with it, but it's a price I'm willing to pay for the experience. I'm not in college for my piece of paper on the wall, I'm here because I want to be and because I believe there's value in it for me.

Josh said...

@simple_guy: Are the average salaries for grads higher because people who go to college are worth more, or because the people who are worth more generally go to college?

simple guy said...

@Josh: I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "worth more."

If, by worth more you mean that they have skills that are in higher demand in the market (and can therefore fetch a higher salary), then I would say that higher education is much more the cause than the effect. I think that programs like KIPP have pretty clearly shown the transforming effect of education.

Scottish said...

Since I'm a pedantic numbers guy, I'm going to leave the more thoughtful arguments to people who can articulate them better, such as Jason's exceedingly good response.

But here's my first observation: Your entire "better things to do with $100,000" argument hangs on the assumption that people have 100k in their pocket the day they set off for college, which is rarely ever the case.

I understand that your main argument is that college may not be a wise investment of $100,000, but if you don't even have, e.g., a down payment for a house, your entire real-estate mogul track is null and void.

It'd be better to start with the assumption that the freshly-minted high school grad is flat broke. And let's face it, that means years of McDonald's or temping, barely scraping by until you've got enough saved to do something worthwhile with it.

(And please don't take that as me looking down on burger-flippers or temps. My own wife is a fantastic example of someone who didn't finish college, started temping, and parlayed that into a full-time job.)

Larsitron said...

My rebuttal:

1. I've always found it interesting that you and Jason have posited this argument while holding both bachelor degrees AND masters in divinity. Would any mainline denomination have you as a pastor if you didn't hold a M. Div. (which requires a bachelor's anyway)? I would argue that any attempts to approach pastoral training without a grounding in how to approach scholarly work (usually established during undergraduate studies) and without graduate level studies would be futile. It would create pastors who only are able to articulate arguments with superficial understanding. I know there would be exceptions, but I feel like going through those intellectual exercises in a formal way hones the mind.

2. I won't disagree that private, undergraduate colleges are overpriced and are perhaps not worth the return that the average student would get out of them. That being said, college is about what you put into it. If you just go through the motions and get on the moving walkway of higher education, then yeah, its not valuable. But for those who are actively interested and those who throw themselves into what a college has to offer, it can be immeasurably rewarding.

3. Employers aren't going to reduce their academic requirements. A four year degree requirement isn't there to prove a person has the intellect to handle a given position. Rather, it exists as a measure of a person's dedication ability to handle projects. That is, they finished college. Think of it as a way of showing experience in general without having experience in a given field. I think that's entirely reasonable. Now, as to if certain employers should require a 4 year degree for entry level positions, I would say "not always" and they're likely missing qualified and dedicated candidates.

4. From a value perspective, state universities should be the pearl of a given regional education system. I was able to attend the University of Arizona tuition free based on my high school grades. Further, I was able to earn scholarships that paid for largely everything else. And I worked on campus part time in a specialized job. I came out of undergrad debt free, without having to tap the fund my parents had created (both public university grads with masters degrees) so I will be able to finish medical school largely debt free. See point to re. value of private institutions and effort.

5. There will always be those in the world who can get their education in the library and be well read and well cultured without college. I'm not saying college inherently gives you those things. But I would argue that a student who approaches their education with integrity (e.g. actually does the reading, isn't just going through the motions) having professors who challenge them, expose them to new ideas, engaging with other students from around the world, etc. cannot be replaced by any self study program.

Ultimately, I think your argument comes down to money and resenting the debt. I've never been there, but I think I can understand how that would be frustrating and taint your willingness to encourage your kids to go to college. Therefore, I would encourage students to avail themselves of their local community colleges to get an idea of what they'd like to do and get some gen. ed. requirements out of the way. Then, once they have a better focus on career goals, enter the state university system and take advantage of the resources therein.

Larsitron

margieh said...

I am definately in your corner, Scott. George would strongly differ. Strongly! There are sooo many dimensions to this ... so many dimensions...

ps. love the way you did the top of your home page.

Sarah said...

I would have to agree with all those who are in favor of college. I did as you suggested and went to a 2 year program at a community college and got my RN. I don't have a bachelors degree but I am constantly encouraged by my employer to do so. A Bachelors degree is always favored above an associates or nothing at all. Yes, I have less debt and I can get a job anywhere in America as long as I keep my license current, but there will come a day where hospitals require bachelors and/or masters degrees for all healthcare professionals! Also, universities aren't bad either. Jesse is a good example of this. He, like Lars, was able to keep his grades up all through high school and then through his pre-req's at the 2yr program he went to. He is now attending St John Fisher and has only had to take out about $2000-5000 a semester since his grades have won him scholarships to pay the rest! He may not be able to find a job in the field that he's in, but he will have that knowledge base and he is definitely doing something that he loves and breathes! Also, many employers offer free tuition if you go back to get your bachelor's degree or masters. I work for the UofR and I will have total free tuition if I so choose. They also offer benefits for family members so if Jesse chooses to go back to school for his masters then he will be able to go at 50% (or free depending on scholarships available to him)! So with that said, I have to agree that college is still not only worth it but favored among employers. But you're right...it is best for someone straight out of high school to attend a community college first to determine what they want to do. Or go out and get a job while they're deciding. I wasn't one that knew right out of high school what I wanted to be and sometimes I'm still not sure what I want to do when I grow up...but I have that degree behind me and the realization that a bachelors is right around the corner. So please don't hold Abel back from obtaining a degree if that is what is required of the field of his choice. Much luck! :)

Elliot said...

I guess I'm just the rare case. I knew exactly what I wanted to do, and I acquired enough scholarships that with my parents' help I escaped from a private university with minimal debt.

It seems that your biggest beef is with debt and with wasting money on unused education. I concur wholeheartedly. If my kids are unsure of what they want to do at 17, there ain't no way they're going to an expensive school.

I do hope my kids go to college, but I want them going for the right reasons. I would be even more impressed with my kids if any of them had entrepreneurship gifts and skipped college, but my experience is with the university, and so I'd be unable to coach them too much.

roze said...

So interesting...I had a sleepless night because I was worrying and having nightmares about my son not having a degree. We were at a party for my niece who just became a chartered accountant. I was surrounded by beautiful, bright, mid-twenty's young people full of confidence and off to start their great careers and make lots of money. I was so jealous.

My son went to universty for two years and didn't attend many classes and was asked to leave! He had joined the Ballrooom Dancing Club, the first day of University and it became his total passion. There were l,000 people in the club and he became the president and was very busy I guess!!!!!!

Well, it is now 8 years later and he is still dancing and now involved in a larger dance organization. He has practiced about 3 to 4 times a week for 8 years and competed and is at the top level now and I am proud of him for his dedication. He works in a bank and has been promoted to higher positions but says that is not what he wants to do. He says he wants to see how far he can go with his dancing and then go back to school at 30!

However, after last night I started to panic and feel like a terrible mother for not making him pursue his degree. All the people we were talking to seemed so much more confident and relaxed than he and so much more connected to each other and I realized that he will never be in that level of society and it broke my heart as he is a lovely, and gentle, kind and beautiful man...not to mention elite athelete...but seems to be less sophisticated than the other educated people in his speech and mannerisms.

The dance world is very elegant and full of a diverse group of people with dedication and discipline who rarely drink or abuse their bodies. He doesn't drink and I realize that does make people relax socially and that may be part of it.

I am rambling here...my heart is so heavy worrying. A friend with a PhD told me my son had worked harder, had more dedication, probably has grown spiritually, physicaly, socially and mentally (because of all the patterning he has done to learn the dances) than he had to get his PhD. in the same amount of time, not to mention spending about the same amount of money. Of course that make me feel better...

... but now I am so worried about his future life. Everyone in our family has a degree and say they think it is great to have an artist in the family...but I wonder if people secretly look down on others because they don't have a degree.

Could someone reply to this ramble and help me out of this feeling that I have failed him by not pushing him harder to stay in school. I dropped out of university to see the world and feel as though I am a failure because I didn't follow through and get a career and have a group of friends with common interests and memories of university. But I do have friends all over the world and am still telling stories of my adventures at age 65 but so what.

I guess it is obvious he my only child!

SJ Austin said...

Roze, thanks for sharing your story. Even though my son is only 5 now, I am acutely aware of the burden parenthood places on our psyche—we feel responsible for everything.

That said, I don't think you've been a failure to your son at all. It sounds to me as if he has found a profoundly fulfilling goal in life, and that it's not gotten in the way of a "cash" career, either. As for the party, there are many things more important than fitting in socially with the highly "educated" crowd.

Your instinct to be proud of your son is 100% correct, I'd say.

Anonymous said...

The comments about nurses not requiring college degrees is incorrect. Nurses who receive their educations at community colleges spend 3 years in college before they can sit for their boards. Many RNs have BSN degrees, meaning 4 years of college. Nursing is a profession not a trade. It is a well paid profession and requires continuing education.

SJ Austin said...

Thanks for your comment. Yes, nurses can and sometimes must go on for four-year degrees, but the fact remains that a two-year degree in nursing can easily get you into the workplace.

ccrugrat said...

Help! I honestly am confused and upset!! My oldest was on top of world as a 9th grader...top grades in all classes and lofty colllege goals...he is now a junior, A/B student, uninvolved in activities (but still volunteers once a week at the local hospital) and states he hates school...and isn't going to college. He is sabotaging standard tests and ignoring deadlines to prove his point. He won't take a trip to local or distant campuses or do any research, etc. Our family values education...and through the grace of grandparents, he has a college fund. Even to go and broaden one's horizons...more doors and opportunities???? How can he not go....he won't even give me one year...a start. I'm very upset...he is bright, helpful, wonderfull...a really good kid....but thinks he currently knows it all and rejects "social norms"...we've battled over church and now college... and of course he is "in love"...another factor I blame for plainly throwing away a promising future. This is not the kid I thought I knew and I'm beside myself...do we tell him to get a job now, have him support his own vehicle, phone and spending money so he learns the value of work and earning...do we allow for a year off after HS and hope he finds his way back to education - or SOMETHING - he doesn't have ANY alternative plans - at all!...or let him go and pray. I feel like a total failure.

SJ Austin said...

ccrugrat, thank you for sharing your story. I'm certainly not an expert in parenting a teenager, since my only child is 5, but I want to encourage you as best I can. It's obvious you are concerned for him and love him.

My advice, such as it is, would be to force him into some self-reliance by doing some of the things you suggested.

"Do we tell him to get a job now, have him support his own vehicle, phone and spending money so he learns the value of work and earning?" (I'd say yes.)

"Do we allow for a year off after HS and hope he finds his way back to education?" (That's not the worst idea either.)

If you have control of the college fund, you have the right to tell him it's only for college. Or you can tell him he can use it to start a college-free life, but that there's no more if he changes his mind later.

I really do hope it works out for you and your son, whatever you and he decide.

Anonymous said...

I have a 2 year degree in nursing which I obtained later in life, after working at many different kinds of jobs and becoming well-rounded. I feel I could do a multitude of things and recently applied for diversely different jobs and got many call backs. This baby boomer isn't going to move over for awhile yet, so get used to it. I have no debt, my home is paid for and I have money in the bank. Many of my college degree friends have lost their home and stand in lines to find jobs. I often think they missed a course called life skills. A college degree means you can do X. When X isn't available, what is your alternative. I have family members who are well schooled but can't get an interview, no matter where they go. No one has made a plug for home businesses. You don't need a college degree to start one. My daughter never went to college, started a home based business and now makes over $300,000 annually. Also, to say the future holds jobs for only the 4 year degree and uppers is so laughable. Get your head out of a book and listen and look around you. This country is so lacking in skilled labor. Two year community colleges will fill this need and employers are beginning to court them. Often, these jobs pay better then many bachelor degree jobs and are spring boards to owning a business. The times they are a-changing. Will an 8 year degree be the answer? Or, will the successful be those who can think outside the box and dare to go against the norms to build their own way. By the way, many baby boomers built their own way. This country prospered in many ways while we were at the helm. Both good and bad were built and many of us enjoy a good life. Hopefully we can fix a few things before they put us down.